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Re: Ousterhout and Tcl lost the plot with latest paper

To: scsh@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Ousterhout and Tcl lost the plot with latest paper
From: hclsmith@tallships.istar.ca (Hume Smith)
Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:22:55 GMT
Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated
In article <5j1ib1$kp3@roar.cs.utexas.edu>, wilson@cs.utexas.edu says...

>   So the bottom line is that Ousterhout seems to have bailed, and 
>other Tcl fans don't seem to be defending Tcl against several serious 
>technical criticisms.  Is that because they don't have good answers
>(except for market-share arguments), or just that they lost interest
>in the flamewar?

bingo.

I gave up fighting "my language is better than your language" junta years ago. 
they *are* religious wars and *cannot* be resolved.  why can't we just let 
people use what language they like and stop the fucking quabbling!?!  i'm sick 
to bloody death of this bollocks.  i've used around twenty languages; tcl is 
nice for some things (it was the first X program i had; it's been very nice 
in DB-HTML-WWW interfacing), awful for others (i wouldn't try writing yacc or 
other symbol-heavy stuff in it; but then i wouldn't write them in C either).  
right now i like it because it's a vast improvement over opther UNIX scripting 
languages (lists that work (nest, can have arbitrary strings), globbing 
that works (doesn't blast any little string that comes along with a * in 
it), arrays that work, procedures that work, commands that nest (do 'this 'do 
that''? right)...), i can run my email program on both my Unix and Windows 
machines, i can glue things into it on UNIX (Windows doesn't have anything 
worth glueing in), i can read it (i've passed the point of being able to keep 
straight all the little squiggly characters so beloved in the Temples of C++ 
and Perl)...

i don't do everything in it, but i'm alwful gald it exists.  now shut UP and 
leave me BE.


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