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Subject: Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and Tcl ...)
From: ok@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (Richard A. O'Keefe)
Date: 15 Apr 1997 17:55:13 +1000
Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia.
Douglas Seay <seay@absyss.fr> writes:
>I'll agree that they aren't ivory tower languages, and that the language
>specification may have been created hand-in-hand with the tool, but I
>don't see how that makes them less of "languages".  This m ight be
>ancient history, but was there a formal specification of COBOL, FORTRAN
>or APL before the first implementation?]

COBOL   - yes.  (COBOL was "designed by committee".)
Fortran - I _think_ the answer is 'yes'.
APL     - most certainly!  Iverson's book preceded the implementation.

Well, the specifications may not be up to _today's_ formal specifications,
but they were as formal as anything around at the time except perhaps
McCarthy's papers.

>PS - The syntax of perl5 is actually simplier than perl4.  The thing
>that got bigger was the libraries.  But since it is no longer "cute", I
>couldn't expect you to keep up with it.

The syntax may be simpler, but the manuals got a whole lot bigger, and
some of the perl4 code I had bought stopped working.

-- 
Will maintain COBOL for money.
Richard A. O'Keefe; http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/%7Eok; RMIT Comp.Sci.

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