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Subject: Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and Tcl ...)
From: Frederic BONNET <fbonnet@irisa.fr>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:17:53 +0200
Organization: IRISA - Rennes
Hi all,

Smiljan Grmek wrote:
> Sorry, Smalltalk is infinitesimaly used. There is an ongoing drive by
> IBM (of all companies!) but with little sucess. This can easily be
> verified if you look at job offerings on the Net with Smalltalk as
> keyword.

I don't know where you got this information from, but Smalltalk is far
from being infinitesimaly used. When I was a student at the EMN, my
friends and I were surprised by the number of high-tech software
companies who preferred Smalltalk to C++. And job offering on the Net
is not what I call a trustable reference (I'd rather call it Deep
Bullshit (tm))

> And it is hard to discuss computer languages with someone who can
> seriously entertain the thought  that 'Java is a *subset* (of all
> possible relationships!) of Smalltalk!'

Looking like C++ doesn't make Java one of its subsets. There are _lots_
of semantic changes that makes it closer to Smalltalk.
You should have a look at the Java specs as well as at a good Smalltalk
book (I recommend the "Blue book", "Smalltalk: the language and its
implementation" by Goldberg & Robson). Then you'll see that Java is
merely a Smalltalk with C++-like syntax, a bit more typing in the VM,
and less mature libraries. Maybe you'll look more informed next time ;-)

CU, Fred
--
Frederic BONNET                                         fbonnet@irisa.fr
 Ingenieur Ecole des Mines de Nantes/Ecole des Mines de Nantes Engineer
        IRISA Rennes, France - Projet Solidor/Solidor Project
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